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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 21, 2014 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: (non-Dead) day late and a dollar short?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/20/314256004/led-zeppelin-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven-guitar-line

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Poster: Sansloy Date: May 22, 2014 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: (non-Dead) day late and a dollar short?

I don't think there's a case here. It's an arpeggio over a chord structure. From what I've read, your can't copyright a chord structure. Also, if there really was a case, like with "Dazed and confused", it would have come up earlier.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 21, 2014 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: (non-Dead) day late and a dollar short?

HOLY CRAP:

"Stairway's stature—financially, culturally, and musically—is towering. By 2008, when Conde Nast Portfolio magazine published an estimate that included royalties and record sales, the song had earned at least $562 million."

That is unreal.

Please discuss...if it is this much for this tune, doesn't it mean any number of tunes, say, Hey Jude, or Satisfaction, have generated ten million? More, less, you get the idea...this is UNREAL.

Did I say this is surreal?

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: May 21, 2014 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: (non-Dead) day late and a dollar short?

I have listened to a lot of music in the past 60 years or so and I drive my son nuts by pointing out similarities in modern pop/rock/rap to what I've heard before. That noted, I think this is a negatory. I'm sure there was influence or whatever, but there's not enough for me to say plagiarism. You got the descending note pattern but then it's completely different.

And from a recent NYT interview:

n an interview with Page in the New York Times, Larry Rohter asked about criticism that Page used material from blues musicians such as Willie Dixon without acknowledging their authorship. (Dixon eventually reached a settlement that included a credit on Whole Lotta Love, which shares elements with his You Need Love, such as the words “you need coolin’.”)

In the interview, Page responds:

Page: Yeah, but he [Dixon] got credited.

NYT: But only after a lot of legal wrangling, so I wanted to ask in retrospect how did that happen, and once it was brought to the attention of your management, why did they resist it?

Page: I had a riff, which is a unique riff, O.K., and I had a structure for the song that was a unique structure. That is it. However, within the lyrics of it, there’s “You Need Love,” and there are similarities within the lyrics. Now I’m not pointing a finger at anybody, but I’m just saying that’s what happened, and Willie Dixon got credit. Fair enough.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 21, 2014 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: (non-Dead) day late and a dollar short?

statute of limitations should apply in this case, furthermore, I listened to this piece and there is some fleeting similarities in the descending guitar picking riff, but Stairway is an entire song...this is a huge reach

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 21, 2014 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: (non-Dead) day late and a dollar short?

but if you're represent the estate, you hope you can get a nice fat settlement check so other side avoids costs/hassle of litigation (although sounds like the sep side may have a few dollars tucked away for a legal fund)

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Poster: c-freedom Date: May 21, 2014 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: (non-Dead) day late and a dollar short?

Hey Bd;

I heard the Kinks wrote this tune about Jimmy Page:
The Kinks: Mr. Big- from Sleepwalker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdnzp25Hqww


Article I read on this was talking about how Randy California later in life was reduced to playing Sitar
at an Indian Restaurant in exchange for food.
Zeppelin did a lot of 'uncredited sampling' of American bluesman so I guess it should be no surprise they cut corners. Although Stairway to Heaven is like the holy grail of FM radio, that law suit has got to be worth some big coin.
One thing about Garcia he was always trying to bring musicians up with him both figuratively and literally.



This post was modified by c-freedom on 2014-05-21 19:32:18